Valve is the new EA?

Welcome to the new internet trend.Before E3 2009 Valve was to be a company PC players used to love.Enter L4D2 (by the way does that not reminds you of R2D2 ?)Now Valve stepped on and spit in everything PC gamers used to love about Valve.Is it not funny how a company can ruin their reputation and turn it around from 100% to -100% in one day ?Valve is now the company gamers love to hate.It would be funny to see how the buisness development at Valve will justify this move ? Quickly selling few game copies , but in turn ruining company reputation and destroy long term revenues?Do you think a gaming company can ever recover from this ?Lobo
Valve is the new EA?
[QUOTE=''Lobotomist'']Before E3 2009 Valve was to be a company PC players used to love.[/QUOTE]



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This is the MINIMUM stuff you will get in L4D2:- 5 New Campaigns
- 5 New Versus Campaigns
- Lots of new Survival maps
- A whole new game mode
- Tweaked current special infected to make them more deadly
- New infected such as the Wandering Witch or the Charger (If not more)
- 4 New Characters
- Hours and Hours of new conversations between the new characters.
- New common infected
- Different ammo types
- New Melee weapons
- New guns in general
- A whole STORYLINE this time round, and not just random ''movies''
- Probably a new difficulty level
- New finales and crescendo events
- Lots of game fixes and bug fixes and common mistakes fixed from the 1st L4D such as no more Shiva stacking, no more closetting and so on.
- Made the game more brutal and gory
- And probably lots of other super cool features that we would all love.Oh noez this is teh new Madden!
I kinda fail to see what they've done that is so bad.

Sure they've announced there'll be a Left 4 Dead 2 game in the near future but honestly who wouldn't expect it to come out eventually?

So maybe it's too early, oh well. Calling Valve the new EA over that little thing is just silly.
OP your argument is vague - so just to re-cap what is happening with Valve?
It really all depends on the price the game's released for. They're not a charity, and of course they want ot make money on their game. I don't see an enormous difference between the content being released as an expansion or as an independent game - they'll have to price it right to achieve maximum sales. Personally, I couldn't give a hoot what they do with L4D2, just as I didn't care what followed the original Sims as I didn't see anything worth paying for in the expansions/sequels.
Valve is known for good DLC, was it hard for them to give thoes stuff free? The reason why i bought Left 4 Dead, not Call of Duty 4 was because i knew Valve cares about us, not releasing same game every year with 2 new things and asking full price
Basically Valve sold original L4D - a very content limited , unfinished and still experimental game - for 50$Under false pretense that they will continue supporting it with new maps, weapons, game mods and gameplay tweaks.
Same as they did with Counter Strike, DOD, TF2 ...But in fact (which is now shockingly revealed) Valve started to make L4D2 in same moment they released L4D1.So instead of working on fixing the just released game, they immidiately started planning to sell the FIXED game as NEW game.L4D2 is what Valve promised to be free updates to L4D, all rolled in one package.Now if that doesnt irk you. And if you payed for L4D and still want to buy L4D2. Fine for you.But just read forums all over internet and you will notice lot of angry posts. This was unusual for Valve.All i am saying they lost a lot of rep, and it will hurt them much more than what they will earn from L4D2 (that will never reach even 1/4 of L4D sales)
so just because the mistake they are doing with L4d2 all of a sudden valve is evil?Valve like every other company cares about money but valve prove they do care about the consumer to( more so than other companies like EA although i start changing my mind about EA after they drop the DRM thing). This is the first major blow valve did so i'm gonna let it go ( infact i'm a bit excited about l4d2 since i missed the 1st one)
[QUOTE=''Lobotomist'']Basically Valve sold original L4D - a very content limited , unfinished and still experimental game - for 50$Under false pretense that they will continue supporting it with new maps, weapons, game mods and gameplay tweaks.
Same as they did with Counter Strike, DOD, TF2 ...But in fact (which is now shockingly revealed) Valve started to make L4D2 in same moment they released L4D1.So instead of working on fixing the just released game, they immidiately started planning to sell the FIXED game as NEW game.L4D2 is what Valve promised to be free updates to L4D, all rolled in one package.Now if that doesnt irk you. And if you payed for L4D and still want to buy L4D2. Fine for you.But just read forums all over internet and you will notice lot of angry posts. This was unusual for Valve.All i am saying they lost a lot of rep, and it will hurt them much more than what they will earn from L4D2 (that will never reach even 1/4 of L4D sales)[/QUOTE]You seem to have missed a lot of free updates then. Paste from the Steam forums:Firstly, let me start off with the original release of L4D. It came with 2 versus campaigns and 4 single player campaigns. The only thing that was missing from the game was the other 2 versus campaigns. Now, at the time, Valve had stated that they did not include those versus campaigns due to balance issues. They were never meant to be part of the original game.COMMON MISTAKE #1: Many users claim that the game was ''unfinished'' because it was missing 2 versus campaigns. THIS IS JUST NOT TRUE. The game was released in a FINISHED state. Valve only added the 2 new versus campaigns because you, me and the community demanding it. Hense why it took so long for them to get finished.COMMON MISTAKE #2: Many users claimed that the $50 price tag was too much for a game with such little content. Now sure, this may be true, but you were not paying $50 for content, you were paying $50 for the AI Director, a tool that enabled different games every time you play. Now just think about it. Would you rather pay $50 for a game which comes with 10 maps, but its the same every time, or a game which comes with 4 campaigns but is different every time? I would chose the latter. The game was worth $50. You know it, I know it. Just check how much you have played L4D and work out the hour/dollar ratio and you will see it was totally worth it.Moving on. Many of you a jarateed off because Valve made a statement promising new maps, new weapons and new charaters. Sure this is totally true. However, plans can change in a company in a matter of days. I work as an IT Manager, and I promise my users things, only to go back on my promise at a later date due to some circumstances that I could not forsee. This happens in business. Its dissapointing, but it happens.BUT, THATS NOT TO SAY VALVE DID NOT DELIVER ON THIS PROMISE. They released 2 new versus campaigns due to customer demand. They created a whole new game mode with Survival, edited a bunch of maps, and then created the Lighthouse map. This was a long process for them, especially balancing out the versus maps. Now many users complained about Death Toll 4/5 versus, where you cant get on the roofs. This is not Valve's fault. Dont blame them. Its a fine line with balancing the maps, and then actually making them perform well for users on all hardware. Would you like it if you could get on the roofs in those maps, but the maps would not be optimised and run at 4 FPS? No. I wouldnt. Anyway, Valve have stated that they are working on improving these maps. And they will. I trust them.Now finally, the SDK. The SDK was promised and its finally here after 6 months. Sure its a beta, but its here. Now, many users complain about how the SDK took so long to be released. Let me explain. The SDK is not just a bunch of tools that Valve used and they then could release it to the public. That is just stupid. Valve use software worth millions of dollers to create L4D. They cant just release that to the public! It would almost be piracy. Instead Valve have to edit, reprogram that software to make is usable to the general public. Not only that, but Valve have to make that software user friendly. You think anyone can start mapping using the professional software that Valve use? Nah, even the most experienced mappers would have trouble learning all the new things. Thats why Hammer, and many other programs included in the SDK is so friendly, because Valve make it friendly. Ontop of that, think about how much documentation Valve has to write for the SDK. They dont need all that text, they know what they are doing, but they need to write documentation for all the mod developers out there. This is a long and frustrating process. I know, I have done many similar projects document software. Plus, all the example maps, models and so on. This is not a job that can be done in one day. Its a very long and complicated process.And finally... many users still complain about no new content. Well you dont know that and I dont know that. What I do know tho, is Matchmaking 2.0 will be out shortly. And lots of custom maps will also be out shortly. And Valve could even surprise us with some new contect too!. You just dont know! So be patient and stop assuming that you got screwed over. You didnt. If anything, you got pampered by Valve my friends!Hell, in the RPS interview, Chet even said that the L4D team is a bit schizophrenic right now because they'll be continuing to develop and support the original as well as work on making sure the sequel doesn't suffer from the same pitfalls the original did at launch.

Noobs overreacting to something on the interent? say it aint so! next week they will move on to unrationally hating on something else they know little to nothing about.maybe when some of these people get an IQ thats a positive number they will realize how stupid they look.How about this amazing piece of priceless advice, if you dont like it, DONT BUY IT. its as simple as that.[QUOTE=''adamosmaki'']Valve like every other company cares about money but valve prove they do care about the consumer to( more so than other companies like EA although i start changing my mind about EA after they drop the DRM thing). This is the first major blow valve did so i'm gonna let it go ( infact i'm a bit excited about l4d2 since i missed the 1st one)[/QUOTE]So EA was bad because they use DRM, but Valve was somehow fine? Despite the fact that they force one of the more restrictive DRMs out tehre on you with every game released by them?Steam is worse than most other forms of DRM when your forced to use it, which seems to be getting more common as time goes by.
[QUOTE=''Lobotomist'']Basically Valve sold original L4D - a very content limited , unfinished and still experimental game - for 50$Under false pretense that they will continue supporting it with new maps, weapons, game mods and gameplay tweaks.
Same as they did with Counter Strike, DOD, TF2 ...But in fact (which is now shockingly revealed) Valve started to make L4D2 in same moment they released L4D1.So instead of working on fixing the just released game, they immidiately started planning to sell the FIXED game as NEW game.L4D2 is what Valve promised to be free updates to L4D, all rolled in one package.[/QUOTE]So the only thing that people are complaining about is that they feel ripped off about L4D1, and I don't really agree with that.I got more than enough hours out of it to call it a fantastic purchase, and from what I've noticed with TF2, the online community only complains whenever Valve adds anything to their games or tries anything new. So I don't really see the issue.
[QUOTE=''Planeforger''][QUOTE=''Lobotomist'']Basically Valve sold original L4D - a very content limited , unfinished and still experimental game - for 50$Under false pretense that they will continue supporting it with new maps, weapons, game mods and gameplay tweaks.
Same as they did with Counter Strike, DOD, TF2 ...But in fact (which is now shockingly revealed) Valve started to make L4D2 in same moment they released L4D1.So instead of working on fixing the just released game, they immidiately started planning to sell the FIXED game as NEW game.L4D2 is what Valve promised to be free updates to L4D, all rolled in one package.[/QUOTE]So the only thing that people are complaining about is that they feel ripped off about L4D1, and I don't really agree with that.I got more than enough hours out of it to call it a fantastic purchase, and from what I've noticed with TF2, the online community only complains whenever Valve adds anything to their games or tries anything new. So I don't really see the issue.[/QUOTE]This, just go to the TF2 forums and at least 75% of the time its just people **** and cursing out valve.
[QUOTE=''Lobotomist'']Welcome to the new internet trend.Before E3 2009 Valve was to be a company PC players used to love.Enter L4D2 (by the way does that not reminds you of R2D2 ?)Now Valve stepped on and spit in everything PC gamers used to love about Valve.Is it not funny how a company can ruin their reputation and turn it around from 100% to -100% in one day ?Valve is now the company gamers love to hate.It would be funny to see how the buisness development at Valve will justify this move ? Quickly selling few game copies , but in turn ruining company reputation and destroy long term revenues?Do you think a gaming company can ever recover from this ?Lobo[/QUOTE]''Valve is now the company gamers love to hate'' I don't know anyone who hates Valve, actually it's the complete oposite. Left 4 Dead was a short game, nothing big about it, why wouldn't they release the next one a YEAR later?
Why is everyone so quick to judge a game that was announce just 2 days ago? Why don't we wait until we hear more information before we start ''boycotting'' Valve.
[QUOTE=''psp-freak'']Why is everyone so quick to judge a game that was announce just 2 days ago? [/QUOTE]Becasue there ignorant, and need something to constantly bash to make themselves feel better
while I agree that was pretty low for Valve, saying their the devil now is way out of proportion.
It's 1 game, chill out. Yes it's odd that a new valve game is on the way but it's the guys at turtle rock (bought by vavle) who are behind development, SO CHILL.
I fail to see why Valve is the new EA. What people keeps saying is that they hate Valve because they are bringing L4D2 out so early. My response is that SO WHAT... They are looking ahead into the future and you cannot blame them for not wanting to stay where they are now. In this economy be lucky that Valve is even around and they may NEED to start making new products or god forbid they might end up like GM. I say don't let one game be your FINAL decision about a company as a whole because let me tell you when this game releases it will be spectacular and you will buy it and Valve will still be the great company it is and always has been. IN my opinion the L4D before ANY patches was the best revision but you get those whiners and they mess everything up, the only good thing that came from the patches was the melee Nerf, maps, and survival mode. L4D never felt like a beta or unfinished game to me and happens to be ONE of the BEST games I have EVER played and believe me I have played a WHOLE bunch of games in my day as I started back in the genesis days..
[QUOTE=''Baranga''][QUOTE=''Lobotomist'']Basically Valve sold original L4D - a very content limited , unfinished and still experimental game - for 50$Under false pretense that they will continue supporting it with new maps, weapons, game mods and gameplay tweaks.
Same as they did with Counter Strike, DOD, TF2 ...But in fact (which is now shockingly revealed) Valve started to make L4D2 in same moment they released L4D1.So instead of working on fixing the just released game, they immidiately started planning to sell the FIXED game as NEW game.L4D2 is what Valve promised to be free updates to L4D, all rolled in one package.Now if that doesnt irk you. And if you payed for L4D and still want to buy L4D2. Fine for you.But just read forums all over internet and you will notice lot of angry posts. This was unusual for Valve.All i am saying they lost a lot of rep, and it will hurt them much more than what they will earn from L4D2 (that will never reach even 1/4 of L4D sales)[/QUOTE]You seem to have missed a lot of free updates then. Paste from the Steam forums:Firstly, let me start off with the original release of L4D. It came with 2 versus campaigns and 4 single player campaigns. The only thing that was missing from the game was the other 2 versus campaigns. Now, at the time, Valve had stated that they did not include those versus campaigns due to balance issues. They were never meant to be part of the original game.COMMON MISTAKE #1: Many users claim that the game was ''unfinished'' because it was missing 2 versus campaigns. THIS IS JUST NOT TRUE. The game was released in a FINISHED state. Valve only added the 2 new versus campaigns because you, me and the community demanding it. Hense why it took so long for them to get finished.COMMON MISTAKE #2: Many users claimed that the $50 price tag was too much for a game with such little content. Now sure, this may be true, but you were not paying $50 for content, you were paying $50 for the AI Director, a tool that enabled different games every time you play. Now just think about it. Would you rather pay $50 for a game which comes with 10 maps, but its the same every time, or a game which comes with 4 campaigns but is different every time? I would chose the latter. The game was worth $50. You know it, I know it. Just check how much you have played L4D and work out the hour/dollar ratio and you will see it was totally worth it.Moving on. Many of you a jarateed off because Valve made a statement promising new maps, new weapons and new charaters. Sure this is totally true. However, plans can change in a company in a matter of days. I work as an IT Manager, and I promise my users things, only to go back on my promise at a later date due to some circumstances that I could not forsee. This happens in business. Its dissapointing, but it happens.BUT, THATS NOT TO SAY VALVE DID NOT DELIVER ON THIS PROMISE. They released 2 new versus campaigns due to customer demand. They created a whole new game mode with Survival, edited a bunch of maps, and then created the Lighthouse map. This was a long process for them, especially balancing out the versus maps. Now many users complained about Death Toll 4/5 versus, where you cant get on the roofs. This is not Valve's fault. Dont blame them. Its a fine line with balancing the maps, and then actually making them perform well for users on all hardware. Would you like it if you could get on the roofs in those maps, but the maps would not be optimised and run at 4 FPS? No. I wouldnt. Anyway, Valve have stated that they are working on improving these maps. And they will. I trust them.Now finally, the SDK. The SDK was promised and its finally here after 6 months. Sure its a beta, but its here. Now, many users complain about how the SDK took so long to be released. Let me explain. The SDK is not just a bunch of tools that Valve used and they then could release it to the public. That is just stupid. Valve use software worth millions of dollers to create L4D. They cant just release that to the public! It would almost be piracy. Instead Valve have to edit, reprogram that software to make is usable to the general public. Not only that, but Valve have to make that software user friendly. You think anyone can start mapping using the professional software that Valve use? Nah, even the most experienced mappers would have trouble learning all the new things. Thats why Hammer, and many other programs included in the SDK is so friendly, because Valve make it friendly. Ontop of that, think about how much documentation Valve has to write for the SDK. They dont need all that text, they know what they are doing, but they need to write documentation for all the mod developers out there. This is a long and frustrating process. I know, I have done many similar projects document software. Plus, all the example maps, models and so on. This is not a job that can be done in one day. Its a very long and complicated process.And finally... many users still complain about no new content. Well you dont know that and I dont know that. What I do know tho, is Matchmaking 2.0 will be out shortly. And lots of custom maps will also be out shortly. And Valve could even surprise us with some new contect too!. You just dont know! So be patient and stop assuming that you got screwed over. You didnt. If anything, you got pampered by Valve my friends!Hell, in the RPS interview, Chet even said that the L4D team is a bit schizophrenic right now because they'll be continuing to develop and support the original as well as work on making sure the sequel doesn't suffer from the same pitfalls the original did at launch.
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